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by theBigDaddioover 10 years agoMixologist

That's why I vape only PG and nic, and I only drink distilled water and pure grain alcohol. To protect my precious bodily fluids and my vital essence.

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by kirktover 10 years agoBring on the Diacetyl, baby

Fluoridation of e-juice is a communist plot!

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by CPO_Mendezover 10 years ago

Engadget is owned by AOL which was recently purchased by Verizon, so I'm not surprised to see them posting garbage now.

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by grrumble66over 10 years ago

>...were toxic to lung cells at higher doses in the 30-minute test. What's more, when cells were exposed for 24 hours, the same trio of flavors stunted cell growth as the dosage increased.

OK. I'll bite. What exactly are 'higher doses'? I get the impression they had cells in a petri dish and made them swim.

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by oheysupover 10 years ago

They did.

> Additional experiments testing the aerosolized product of e-liquid flavors on cultured primary human bronchial epithelial cells are ongoing.

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>“Several flavors did not elicit these responses in the same experiments, suggesting that we could group flavors into categories of potentially 'non-toxic' and 'toxic',” Rowell said.

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>“Understanding the effects of e-cigarette use is in its infancy. We don’t even have standardization of e-cigarette vapor exposure protocols yet for the laboratory,” Rowell said. 

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by LukeGover 10 years ago

"Also of note: the flavorings' negative effects didn't occur with nicotine or the e-liquid vehicle on its own (propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin)."

What they meant to say...
Also of note, this study did not convey any results of value since testing the flavors the way they are actually used in ecigs produced no results. So we tested smoking the concentrated flavors to get some media attention. It worked!!!

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by wizwam83over 10 years ago

If you check the link to the source they bought 13 pre mixed e liquids. I forget the vendor. I'll give you that its skewed toward finding a down side but I see it as 10 liquids were safe and nic and pg VG are safe too. And that's good news.

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by JustSayNoToDiacetylover 10 years ago

>Also of note: the flavorings' negative effects didn't occur with nicotine or the e-liquid vehicle on its own (propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin).

I have seen other studies that suggested that the nicotine seems to have a "protective" effect against the cell damage of some of the flavorings (might try to dig it up later). However, when it comes to bacterial infections (MSRA), the nicotine seems to make the body less resistant. So it's a two-edged sword I suppose.

Also, it would be pertinent to know the scale here. Almost any substance can damage lung cells, but the question is how much "damage" are we talking relative to smoking?

EDIT: on a second reading, I think I read it wrong. I think they were saying that nicotine by itself didn't have the same effect. In either case, I still remember reading other studies where the cells behaved differently when everything was the same except the nicotine.

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by marshullover 10 years ago

I read it as your edit did. That testing just the nic or of or vg did not produce the negative affects. It was only the flavors that did it.

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by wizwam83over 10 years ago

That's the good news I got out of this. Nic and pg/VG are safe.

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by RavenNevarover 10 years ago

The the flavors they mentioned will harm plastic tanks. Could it be something like the ones that will eat plastic are bad for you?

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by thewomberchombyover 10 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

I can buy the idea that there are flavorings that are not safe to vape, but I just don't feel like this study has told me much. When saying that they "exposed" the cells to e-liquid at different dosages for a period of either 30 minutes or 24 hours, it's not very informative. I know this is kind of a logical fallacy, but I can be exposed to a small dose of water for a very long time and it won't affect me, but if you completely submerge me in it for ten minutes, I'm dead. Without more detailed information from the study, it's hard to not declare a flawed methodology bringing misleading results to the table.

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by wizwam83over 10 years ago

I agree. It's not a great study. The quy who did the study says he is dedicated to finding out more about eliquid effects. Hopefully its the first step to some conclusive results. Personally I have faith that some of it is bad and some has negligible effect on health. All ate better than tobacco IMO.

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by pseudoguruover 10 years ago

I am curious to see people weigh in on this.

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