Some of you know I've been on a quest to clone Looper by ANML for a while now. I promised I would deliver so here it is. I'd consider it about 99% there, which I am content enough with to end my quest and post my recipe.
Please do not use this recipe for personal financial gain
It would be an insult to both me and Philip Rocke. I spent countless hours and revisions on this recipe.
For those who do not know what Looper is: It is a very creamy "fruit loops" type flavor. It is not like cereal killa, but closer to cereal milk (minus the lemon).
Without further a doob:
Hooper
(70VG/30PG)
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Berry Crunch (TFA) - 4% (5% for those impatients who want shake and vape
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Hazelnut (FW) - 2%
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Marshmallow (TFA) - 2%
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Yellow Cake (FW) - 1%
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Meringue (FA) - 2%
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Fresh Cream (FA) - 1%
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Orange Cream (TFA) - 0.5%
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Strawberry Ripe (TFA) - 0.5%
It's a great shake and vape but shines after a few days to a week steeping.
I'm sure a lot of you will be thinking exactly what I'm thinking. "It looks just like all the other cereal recipes"
After about 100 versions of this juice all over the place between flavor companies, this is where I ended up. It was almost a disappointment to me that it was just a simple variation of those recipes. Although, I try to credit myself as much as possible simply because how much time and effort I put into it, so I'm hoping you all enjoy it.
The magic happened when I ditched Fruit Circles and played with Orange Cream, Strawberry Ripe, and Fresh Cream (which I had ditched a while back, but reintroduced it).
The hardest part about this juice is tackling it's very unique citrus notes. When you vape Looper, you taste lemon. But once I started working with Orange Cream, I realized it wasn't lemon at all, it was orange.
Anyway, I hope you enjoy this recipe. I might still tweak it in the future but I am content with where it is now.
Edit 1pm PST: If you REALLY want a lemony nuance, I found the most success adding 1-2 drops per 10mL of Rainbow Drops TFA. It is a candy-like lemon flavor (supposed to be a skittles type flavor) that's perfect for the artificial lemon flavor fruit loops has
Someone had a down-vote party earlier...
Probably badgerfacedcat.
At this point I'm starting to think he's an alt account of a certain somebody who made a certain Cereal Killa clone a while back. Because this is all just a bit too familiar..
Edit after I calmed down: Saying that hurts me because I respected you and I thought the feeling was reciprocal. Please don't try and make me look bad because you feel negative that I left.
I didn't see what you'd originally posted so I'll just briefly respond to you here.
You seem to have a very low tolerance for discourse on a public forum. I mean, you wrote off an entire community and called us all pedophiles because a single person named a recipe "Jailbait." I agree...it was poor taste on that individual's part, but you picked up your ball and ran home, disparaging everyone in /r/DIY_eJuice in the process including the 99% of us who didn't participate in that thread or even pay it attention.
I'm not trying to "make" you look bad, and I don't feel negative that you left...you haven't. Cooler heads will prevail so let's all chill, cool?
There's somebody in this sub who constantly does this
This probably sounds dumb but how do you tell when someone up votes and down votes you or other posts etc?
I wanna mix this, but I don't have Yellow Cake at the moment. Any suggestions as how to replace it, if possible? Just until I get my hands on Yellow Cake :D
Maybe a combo of TFA brown sugar and Vanilla Cupcake. I'd probably do 0.2%/0.3% combination, respectively. I always say just try it without it first, you don't want to ruin it by adding in new things.
Thanks for sharing, and thank you even more for sharing the process. I'll mix this up and let you know what I think!
Edit: Okay so I've aged the bottle for only just over a day now. The flavor is very similar to Looper. I do believe you are correct about strawberry (ripe) being in the original recipe. There's a lot more throat hit in this clone which I'm sure is from all the FA ingredients. Most people won't notice it unless they are sub-ohming in the < 0.5 range.
You mentioned earlier than you don't think meringue is necessary, and I agree with you. I don't think Yellow Cake is necessary either, or possibly even Fresh Cream (prob replace with sweet cream w/o meringue).
Overall I'm very pleased with your efforts and I'm sure I'll be making more of this. Thanks again for the recipe /u/shrine399!
Edit 2: So I've been noticed some of harshness subsiding as time goes on and the more I vape it. I must say this is my favorite cereal type recipe I've tried on this forum.
Just read your edits. Thank you for the kind words :) I've tried going the minimalist route with this recipe before but it loses some of it's complexity. The meringue/yellow cake/hazelnut combination gives it it's sweet grainy "crunch"; for me at least. But feel free to tweak it all you like :) Message me if you ever find any interesting additions.
If anyone else sees this comment, and happen to have FA anise. Add 1 or 2 drops per 10ml. It adds a very interesting effect, almost like adding depth to the cream, making it seem heavier and sweeter in a way.
Mon frere...the secret to boosting cream flavor revealed! Did you discover anise+cream with this recipe or other experiments?
A LONG time ago I was vaping a bottle of Looper and all of a sudden I tasted black licorice. While I now don't think it's actually in it, it made me wonder. I think I somewhat tricked my brain into thinking it was in it and that it added this 'dark' depth to the cream, an almost heaviness to it. I tried it in this recipe and the effect really is so interesting, but I'm not completely sold on it. I think it could be such a ground breaking additive for juices heavy on the cream side. Did you get a chance to try it? I can't tell by your comment if you're just taking my word for it or if you actually tried it :D
Thank you for your time and effort!
I look forward to hearing what everyone thinks of this.
I simply don't have Orange Cream for this recipe, so I'll be waiting 4 months+ until I can make another order.
Is there a close combination I can consider to emulate orange cream in this recipe?
Thank you for dedicating the time towards this. BTW....it's "adieu"
Fucking ORANGE?! Good catch! My cereal recipe is pretty similar except I ditched the looper clone and went for my own iteration of crunchberry milk since I couldn't find that looper citrus note. Orange kinda makes sense, and now I'm just going to add some in to my existing recipe and see if that's the missing Looper ingredient.
Just ordered the missing flavorings today, does this recipe have that brilliant cereal grain finish like looper, or should i get ahold of some cookie and add it at 1% ?
You'll have to try it to see if you taste what I taste, but I think it does as taste is subjective. If you don't or want more, add in AP at .5-1% or up the yellow cake slightly. A lot of the graininess in Looper is a combination of the berrycrunch's grainy notes and the sweetness from the FW hazelnut.
Any recommendations for a substitute for meringue?
> Meringue (FA) - 2%
Have your read about HiC's recent update regarding Meringue? I want to try this recipe but this will affect the flavor.
You are the man, some friends and I have quite the affinity for looper. I'll be ordering these flavorings in my next order. Does it count as financial gain if I were to just charge them my cost to make it? (Bottles/nic) they don't dabble in DIY. I usually just give them juices for material costs
As someone who's spent countless hours working on a recipe I'll personally enjoy, I wouldn't want to undermine your efforts.
No, by financial gain I'm referring to selling it in a juice line as an original creation. Selling to friends/selling as a house juice for M&P stores is no problem to me.
As long as it isn't claimed as an original juice I don't have any problem. But even then, I understand what the internet does and the way I think about it, the gain from the DIY'ers weighs more than the people who may take the recipe and sell it.
I want it to be enjoyed by as many people as possible. Selling for material costs to friends is just an aspect of DIY'ing and in no way would I look down on that, as I do the same thing,
Thanks for posting!
so you know, your recipe will be sold by somebody. If you post it here, some shop will start mixing it up and hawking it for $10 a bottle. That shouldn't dissuade you from contribution...just go in with a realistic expectation :/
Oh I have every expectation of this. I still feel the need to at least attempt top dissuade it. :) Like I said earlier, the benefits from contributing to the DIY scene outweigh the drawbacks to someone making financial gain from someone else's recipe.
Thank you for all of your contributions fizz, you're a star in my book <3
Just mixed this up and I can confirm it is extremely similar to looper. Vaping it on my Aeolus... it's heaven.
Thank you for the recipe, this will be something that I will always have on hand.
I mixed some up while ago but am going to let it steep until I finish of a couple of more bottles of juice I have laying around.
However, i did have to substitute two flavors. I didn't have orange creamsicle or the strawberry ripe. I substituted in CAP Sweet Strawberry and FA orange. I doubt the orange will make much of a difference, but the CAP Strawberry might. In any case, it will probably at least be a decent vape.
I used Sweet strawberry in my earlier stages of making this and I do prefer strawberry ripe because it is almost pseudo-creamy and adds to the milky aspect. Strawberry sweet makes it more of a dry crunch berries type flavor, which, while not bad, wasn't what I was aiming for.
It was the same for FA orange, a little too dry in nature but still good.
A lot of people are concerned about the supposed change in meringue. I'm not saying it has or hasn't changed, but if it has: just drop it from the recipe. The marshmallow/hazelnut/yellow cake combo adds enough sugary-cream that it will not effect the overall essence of the flavor.
There was another post earlier, I'm sure most of you have seen it by now but meringue has NOT changed.
Here it is:
http://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/35qqvg/psa_fa_meringue_has_not_changed_hic_is_misinformed/
Also: I have all of these I will mix it shortly and report back.
Just mixed and tried as a shake and vape. I mixed with the original 4% berry crunch instead of 5% for shake n vape. Will continue to monitor and let this steep.
Initial Impressions: Wow! I haven't had Looper in a little while honestly but going off of memory this is impressive work!
Very nice job!
Also: It seems like the orange cream is the deciding factor on this. Definitely agree on that. Did you ever try it at a higher percent?
I'm lacking the berry crunch maybe I could use rice crunchies? and a berry flavor like pomegranate?
Looks good though i'll have to try and sub something in.
Have you ever try Teleos crunch? Is it anything like that?
is there another TFA flavor that could sub for Marshmallow? I have everything else in your your list.
You could try bavarian cream or toasted marshmallow, although the latter I'm assuming you do not have.
Shrine you're a genius, man. Whipped up a batch of this a few days ago. Replaced orange cream with a mix of tfa orange and vanilla bean ice cream at 0.5% each. As a shake and vape it wasn't anything to write home about .. after about a week....the mix has really come together. Awesome stuff. I think you're right fruit circles was what was fucking things up.
I ordered these flavors a few days ago and just got them today. Mixed it up at max VG and it is delicious right off the bat. Super smooth! This is my first time using FW flavors, and I'm pretty happy with them.
Thank you for the killer recipe, enjoy the gold :)
<3333 I'm very happy you like it.
I'm finding certain FW flavors (yellow cake, hazelnut, salted butter balls, cinammon churro) to be somewhat handy when you want to sweeten up some juices.
other than those flavors, I haven't found much that I like.
But, I'm so glad you like the recipe.
Thanks again :)
Thanks, just ordered everything here to attempt to make this. Got any other recipes that utilize just these flavors?
Mostly cereal vapes. I play around with berry crunch, meringue, bavarian cream, marshmallow often to give me a less coil-destroying cereal vape. No recipes in particular.
The yellow cake and hazelnut FW are a little unfriendly to coils :)
Ah, okay. Thanks for the advice on the Cake and Hazel. I may reduce the amount of both to try to extend coil life a bit.
I only recently started getting into DIY again, and have a handful of flavors and made a couple of easy things (Sweet Peach, Peach n' Cream, Strawberry's and cream), so I am now just hunting Clone Recipes, and adding to my flavor collection that way.
DIY'ing is more satisfying to me when I come up with my own recipes. Cloning Looper was simply a personal challenge/goal I gave myself just to see if I was any decent at what I'm doing/gauging my progress in developing my palette :) From my experience, out of all the recipes I've tried, I have never tasted a clone that is 100% accurate. I don't make many of other people's clone recipes, and haven't made any myself other than Looper.
Wish I had more recipes for you but you can find plenty on this sub or on ELR. Good luck! :)
Finally going to get off my ass and mix this. Going straight out for a 120ml as I have a feeling, a week from now, when I try it, I won't be able to put it down.
That said, I'm going to add a tiny addition of lemon but will use my favorite candy lemon of INW Lemon Concentrate instead of the pledge flavor that is rainbow drops. I'll also be adding a drop of FA Anise per 10ml.
Will be mixing it in 3-4 days once my reload of berry crunch arrives. Posting to remind myself to come back with an update!
Awesome! Give in to the dark side {-:
If INW lemon conc. is as strong as the TFA stuff don't go overboard, although i'm sure you already know that. I've had most success turning this lemony with .5% TFA fruit circles/rainbow drops. I do agree that the rainbow drops is a little pledgy, but just not nearly as bad as fruit circles.
Let me know how it goes! :)
INW Lemon Concentrate is the weakest INW flavor I've tried, similar to FA Lemon Sicily just a bit sweeter/more candy-like. I use it @ 3% in my Lemon Sorbet recipe, accompanied by 5.5% FA Lemon Sicily and 1% INW Lemon Mix and it's hardly noticeable but just adjusts the lemon flavor ever so slightly to have an artificial sweetness quality to it.
Fresh cream & berry crunch.. Have silly rabbit & fruit circles to sub for the berry crunch but fresh cream, I am finding in a lot of recipes, is the only one that I don't know what to sub. I have milk, malted milk, vanilla cupcake, sweet cream, dulce de leche, marshmallow, toasted marshmallow, Whipped cream, various vanillas and probably a few others that are candidates. Any suggestions?
Your best bet for subbing berry crunch is going to be berries and AP. Avoid fruit circles, I haven't worked with silly rabbit. Berry Crunch is a flavor you should just get. If you like Looper, you'll enjoy using it as your base cereal flavor. I'm not sure on percentages but I imagine you can get somewhere close to it with Strawberry Ripe, Blueberry Wild/Extra (Maybe.) and Acetyl Pyrazine. The likelihood that you have those are probably less likely than having Berry Crunch itself, but unfortunately, it's just not that easily replaceable.
For Fresh Cream: It really is a one of a kind unsweetened dense cream with none of the bad stuff (diketones/related molecules). Try Sweet Cream 1% Toasted Marshmallow/marshmallow 1% and Whipped cream/Malted milk at 1% as well. I think those 3 together MAYBE can acheive something similar. I would tell you straight up that Whipped Cream and Malted Milk are the closest in concept of flavor, but I get a terrible plastic taste from both of them. Although, some people don't and it's just going to depend on your palette.
Let me know how it goes and maybe someone will have other suggestions. Vanilla Swirl may help too. You're going to have to fiddle quite a bit to get to what fresh cream does to the mix.
I have be playing with silly rabbit and it goes more toward a trix/Fruity pebbles vape (with a touch of Fruity circles in the mix). I actually do have all the other flavors you listed, so I have a date with the scale after work.
New DIYer. What does the Hazelnut do? It's the second highest concentration so I imagine it has an important role. I have all but the Hazelnut and was thinking to sub Almond, but almond has a cherry-ish flavor. Any recommendations on a sub, or should I just wait for my next flavor order to attempt this and give it the justice I'm sure it deserves
Just try it without it. FW hazelnut adds a creamy nuttyness to the juice, but I don't find it 100% necessary. TFA hazelnut would be the closest sub but I don't think you have it. I always say before subbing you should try it without it. It's not going to be "bad juice" without one ingredient.
I was unable to get the FW Hazelnut, so I replaced with TFA Hazelnut DX at the same %.
I did the shake and vape version for a bottle, and tastes nothing like Looper, actually tastes more like a nutty bread.
I've got 2 bottles untouched that i've left steeping, but i'm wondering if I've buggered it up completely. Help!
I really like this but a couple of tweaks would make it perfect for me. I need to give it a try with Rainbow Drops to bump up the citrus (I can't taste lemon at all at the moment) and I could really do with some tips on how to sweeten it up a bit. Great recipe though - thanks!
FA Caramel .5-1% for sweetness. Or Sucralose .5-2%
Try both Rainbow Drops and Fruit Circles at .5-1%. Little bit goes a long way. Try them both separately that is.
What was your VG/PG ratio? I've been messing with this for a few weeks and have a bottle steeping right now its pretty good but to me it seems like something is missing. Great job
It says above the recipe, 70VG/30PG. What have you 'messed' with?
Oops guess I didn't see that. I tried cutting back on the yellow cake because for my taste it's a little over powering. And in my opinion it's not sweet enough so I'm gonna try to sweeten it up a bit. But for the most part it's pretty dead on man! Good work!
BTW Your recipe somehow made it over to that french? website with clones. It's #3.
Is there ANY way I can replace orange cream with orange or mandarin (FA) at .1-.25% and add .1-.2 swweet cream to emulate it? I've just made a $400 order and can't order anything more for a while. Wish I would have seen this earlier!