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Weekly New Mixers Questions Thread - Week of March 09, 2015
submitted over 10 years ago by AutoModerator

OK new mixers, this is your thread to ask any questions you want of the DIY eJuice community. All posts are allowed, but we still encourage you to use the sidebar and search features before asking any questions.

  • Placing your first DIY order and want to make sure you have all you need?
  • Not sure about how to mix your first bottle?
  • Want to get started but aren't sure how?
  • Any other questions? ... then this is the thread for you. FWIW, the answers to the first three questions will eventually be found in the wiki (still in development); link at the top of the page.

Ask away!

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by igrowheathensover 10 years ago

How clean does the room I mix in need to be? I set up a desk and shelves in a walk in closet. I wiped everything down good and cleaned floor with damp towel after mopping. Will the clothes hanging up be a problem? It's a big closet so I don't have to disturb the clothes going in or out..

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by CloudAlchemistover 10 years agoMixologist

If you're mixing for yourself, just keep a sensible head about you. Do you see contamination in your ejuice? Floating cat/dog hairs?

No? You're good then.

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by PimpinNinjaover 10 years ago

I treat mixing like food prep. Clean environment and tools, and gloves when necessary.

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by meanrockSDover 10 years ago

The ideal environment has no/very little dust or hair in the air. Cap your bottles if you aren't taking stuff out of them or putting something in. Wear glasses & gloves when moving concentrated nicotine; and make sure the area is ventilated if it is highly concentrated.

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by xrofaover 10 years agoMixologist

Can someone point me to where I can see the molecules that are present in some TFA/CAP/FW/etc. flavours?

I've googled but I could only find a list of perfume molecules in the TFA site.

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by montr0nover 10 years ago

TFA: https://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/specsheetlist.aspx

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by xrofaover 10 years agoMixologist

oh man, thank you so much.

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by Nicobeakover 10 years ago

Haven't seen any info on the others, but I believe silver cloud estates publishes their msds

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by Irish_Jewover 10 years ago

Where would I be able to buy bulk bottles? My roommates and I all vape (all six of us) and we go through about a liter of juice a month. I'm trying to find 250 ml bottles so I can make bulk batches and we can fill up 30 ml bottles or our tanks when we're running low.

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by kayakerjoshover 10 years ago

Y'all need one of those hampster cage drinking bottles installed in the living room. Start to dry out? Bump the bottle for a few drops.

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by JConSc2over 10 years ago

I keep my bulk in mason jars personally. For the bottles your cheapest bet is ebay.

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by captaincannibalover 10 years ago

Heartland Vapes has bulk bottles. If you just mean "bulk bottles" as in "big ass bottles", I just grab my 250ml+ ones off of Amazon because Amazon Prime is dope.

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by montr0nover 10 years ago

Heartland vapes has big ass bottles too and dropper caps to match

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by rakeleerover 10 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

So, I'm in this sub because recent legislation may kill or cripple my favorite (and almost exclusive) juice merchant. I might need to make my own ejuice in the near future - because I really don't like not knowing exactly what is in the stuff I'm in inhaling and other than OSV I don't know of any suppliers that disclose.

Naturally I have a hundred questions. I'm fairly sure I can find the answers to most of them already buried in the sub or on one of the many many sites referenced so here's my broad one:

What's something you had wished you'd known before you started DIY?

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by clinodevover 10 years agoVanillinist

Mix by weight. So much quicker and more accurate.

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by kayakerjoshover 10 years ago

Mix by weight. So much less to clean up.

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by captaincannibalover 10 years ago
  • Mix by weight.

  • Haha seriously though, mix by weight.

  • Consider mixing by volume and then mix by weight anyways.

  • Start off making recipes that sound good. Don't start off with exploring. Let that come later.

  • I wouldn't recommend it to someone just starting out, but once you get comfy handling nicotine go for 100mg/ml. So much cheaper! Its insane!

  • Get some kind of storage for flavorings and shit. I never have enough storage.

  • You will end up with tons of flavorings over time. Don't throw out the ones that you didn't love because in a few months you'll inevitably see some amazing clone you wanna try and have to wait for that ONE flavor you threw out to arrive.

  • If you love a flavor, don't buy another small bottle of it when you restock. Go big or go home. I run out of TFA Vanilla Bean Ice Cream all the time because I keep forgetting to get a huge bottle instead of another 10ml. Its annoying.

  • You will never have enough bottles. Ever. Buy so many bottles.

  • DIY isn't hard. Making a good recipe is hard. It takes time, patience, creativity, and a good palette. All the gourmet juice out there isn't using a magical ingredient to make their juice good, they're just patiently refining a recipe over time. You pay for research and development.

  • Steeping is so important. I've had several recipes I've made, tried, gagged on, and then threw in a box to be forgotten. Then I remember they exist a month later and they come out pretty damn good.

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by Nicobeakover 10 years ago

Taste flavors by themselves first!

I read it, but didn't do it. I tried to just throw shit together that I thought sounded good. I made a fair amount vapable stuff, but I also made a lot of shit.

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by meanrockSDover 10 years ago

Don't start out buying 20 flavors to "make some stuff". Its so much easier and less discouraging to get started by following known successful recipes. Make cool shit later once you have a flavor collection for those known recipes.

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by xythinover 10 years agoPâtissier

Question about Medicine Flower flavors, I know they are stronger and not suspended in anything like most flavorings, so is there a suggested weight per ml for them or do people still round them to 1g or is it best to individually assign them all exact weights?

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by abdadaover 10 years ago

Thanks for tagging, /u/Nicobeak

/u/xythin -- I just ordered a 0.01g scale from a DIY user here (he hasn't shipped yet, but I am hopeful to get it this week). Once I have it I will do my best to try to figure out the specific gravity of each flavor since I stock all of them.

For me, personally, I dilute either 1 drop per 29mL of VG or mix 10% flavor to 90% VG and then use that to create my flavor mixes. The first dilution I call "ready mix" because it is vapeable right away (although probably overflavored but it's a start). The latter one is preferred because I can take other people's recipes and multiply by 10 and use the 10% dilutions.

So if Open Source Vapor says 0.65% raspberry, I mix 6.5% of my 10% dilution.

More control that way. 1 drop of MF is way too potent for testing -- it can be too much for some 5ml test flavors.

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by xythinover 10 years agoPâtissier

Ahah that's perfect, thanks abdada. I'll probably use your dilution method but if you measure the gravity for everything and don't just make a general DIY post about the weights, let me know and thanks again.

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by Nicobeakover 10 years ago

Probably best to dilute them and then assign the weight of what you diluted them with, pg or vg or whatever.

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by xythinover 10 years agoPâtissier

Appreciate the advice, thanks

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by Nicobeakover 10 years ago

/u/abdada probably has better suggestions

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by mendelevium256over 10 years ago

Where are some reputable sources for buying concentrated flavorings. The only place I've bought any from so far is mt. Baker and most of their flavors don't do it for me.

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by charliepughover 10 years ago

Read the sidebar. There's links to popular flavor outlets there.

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by mendelevium256over 10 years ago

Thanks, I'm sorry I was on mobile and didn't see the sidebar.

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by charliepughover 10 years ago

Not a problem. I was just letting you know they were there. Happy DIYing!

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by Nicobeakover 10 years ago

Wizard labs is great for testing out new flavors before ordering in bulk. Otherwise, I generally use bullcity, ecigexpress, and tfa direct. There are others listed in the side bar and found with the search function that are good as well, but the ones I listed are who I use most of the time.

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by mendelevium256over 10 years ago

thank you I just ordered a bunch of flavors from wizard labs. Time to get crazy with it.

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by flame_in_darknessover 10 years ago

Say I want to mix glazed donut, chocolate, and bavarian cream. How do I know a good percentage to stay around? I mainly don't want to make it too strong. If it's too light I can always add more.

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by Nicobeakover 10 years ago

There are "master percentage lists" for most of the flavoring companies, but they can be massively off. Different companies with similarly named flavorings will often be at different strengths. Testing the flavors by themselves at varying percentages is a good way to see how strong they are. Also, looking at other people's recipes that use the same flavorings helps. After you get an idea of how strong they are, decide what you want at the forefront, and what you want on the bottom end, or backing the top note up. You're on the right track with starting low. Most people start waaay too high. So for your example, I would make the donut stand out and back it with the chocolate and bavarian cream. Getting the right percentages will just be trial and error unless you are following someone's recipe.

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by meanrockSDover 10 years ago

I agree with /u/nicobeak - but still wanted to offer my 2 cents. When I have 3 flavors that I want to blend (mix into a new unique flavor)- I follow a regimented process. First I'll find existing reference points for the flavors online or from my previous recipes. If I don't know the flavor, I will make single batches until finding the peak standalone percentage. Then I will divide all starting percentages by 60% or so and begin working upwards.
 
For example; From past experience I like Juicy Peach at ~7%, Kiwi at 5% and Key Lime at 2% . I would make a 10ml test batch with Juicy peach at 4.2%, Kiwi at 3% and lime at 1.2%. I shake and vape on wickless coils, then wait 3 days before another taste test. If I'm in a rush, I will make 2 or 3 test batches at a time in 7.5ml test sizes(1/4 a 30ml bottle) and for each blend I will have one flavor at 15% above the others. This lets me know what my best leading flavor note is.

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by ChronicCynicover 10 years ago

Okay I feel really dumb for asking this. But I bought my flavors from Bull City, and they came in little dropper bottles. How do I go from dropper to syringe? My syringes are too big to fit inside the dropper...

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by robwierover 10 years ago

Take the dropper tip off, its removable.

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by robwierover 10 years ago

I have a few questions:

  • I understand that each flavour has an ideal usage %, where anything below or above the % will result in weak/muted flavour. If the ideal usage is 5%, will 4% and 6% taste the same?
  • PG carries flavours better than VG, but is the relationship linear? IE. I found a sweet spot of 15% for a certain flavour in a 50/50 mix. Would that 'sweet spot' hold true if I adjust the PG/VG ratio and flavour %? EG. 15% at 50/50 = 16% at 35/65 = 14% at 65/35.
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