I'm pretty disappointed with every Ejuice I have made, I use anything from 5% to 20% flavouring to try and get good results but it always turns out muted and flavourless. I use flavour art PG and VG with 72mg Nic in VG. Ive tried not used any Nic aswell. Still barley any flavour! Someone please help!
Coming up with great recipes can be difficult, honestly. Actually making a bottle of juice is simple once you get the hang of it, but designing a flavorful recipe can be a different story.
There's no "magic" flavoring percentage. I've made both flavorful and muted recipes at 18%, same at 6%, same at any percent. It just depends on the flavorings you're using.
There's also homogenization time. A 5mL test batch will reach full flavor much quicker than a 30mL bottle.
What size bottles are you making? Which flavorings? What sort of equipment are you using?
To me it seems like all fresh juices smells very nice at first but has a very muted flavor. I mix up some batches and just put them away in a cool dark area and totally forget about them for 3 weeks minimum. Some batches I don't vape for 5-6 weeks it seems to work for me. Some people say some recipes you can mix, shake, and vape. I myself have not found 1 recipe that doesn't taste totally different after a nice long steep. I never use heat myself to speed up the process because I have juice to carry me through and there is nothing like a natural slow steeping method as far as I'm concerned. If you have juice to use and if you can wait for your mix to age that is the best way I have found to get flavor to come out of a established recipe. Good luck!!
i have a similar issue. i understand the value of steeping, but i don't get how certain vendors i order from who mix batches fresh still manage to get amazing flavor juice with no more than 5 days between when i submit the order and when its in my hand and being vaped
Trade secret: make flavorless nicotine bases and pre-steep them. Make nicotineless flavor bases andpre-steep them too.
Now you can combine two bases to make any nic level in any flavor and they will already be fully steeped .
More info. There are two different processes happening while steeping: mechanical (diffusion of components) and chemical (oxidation and other reactions).
When you make a concentrate and steep it, the flavours will blend properly and will also come through chemical reactions. So after mixing concentrate with the base you need to finish diffusion between the base and the concentrate. This can be done quickly in a blender or an ultra sound cleaner.
Speeding up chemical reactions is hard unless you are a chemist and have a lab at your disposal.
I don't see this mentioned yet-- higher VG juice doesn't carry flavor as well, it needs longer steeping time. With my high % VG juices(usually mine are max VG since most of my flavorings have a PG base,) my flavor percentage is usually around 20-25% flavor and I give them a heat bath as well. That seems to help.
*My heat bath consists of me leaving the glass bottles sit on top of a heat vent for about 6-7 hours.
I am in agreement. The OP and everyone else in this thread needs to up their pg percentage. Until you really get a grasp of your flavourings I wouldn't go lower than 70/30 vg/pg.
Yeah, I made the mistake of starting out with high VG and my first few were flavorless and disappointing. Luckily I've caught on and have an idea of what most of the flavorings I buy are like. Things seem to be working out okay now. DIY is a lot of trial and error. Mostly error!
flavor art, consistently, seems to be weak. I've probably got 10 FA extracts and Churro is the only one I'm not disappointed with.
Are you using any additives? Stuff like citric acid and ethyl maltol can make a big difference with just a few drops.
EM makes almost any mix seem more "B&M-ish" to me personally.
I'm not really a fan, and I like the mellower vape you get without it, but this checks out for me :)
Blending helps in my experience also... Could be why there are so few single flavor house blends...
Yeah I've only been mixing juice for a couple months, so I'm still doing a lot of experimenting. I have heard the EM makes flavors fade but from what I've experienced it gives the fruit flavors a bit more depth. I need to get some citric acid, I have malic acid but it doesn't give me the sour flavor I was hoping for.
Either way its pretty cool how much different a juice can get from just adding a few drops additive. Wish there were more discussion about the additives in this sub, I know there's the brief info in the sidebar but more detailed info would be a huge help.
You could try adding 5- 10% alcohol spirit, preferably colourless like vodka. This often opens up the flavour and gives it a bit more oomph. Distilled water can also be used but make sure it's quality distilled and not ionised water.
Yeah, I have noticed that Open Source Vapor also lists saline solution as an ingredient occasionally - not sure but I think this could be used to similar effect with the right flavors.
Saline? As in contact lens solution? I have about 10 bottles of that!
Probably not. Even "Simply Saline" brand lens solution says:
> 12 fl oz of sterile, buffered, isotonic saline solution containing sodium chloride, boric acid and sodium borate with a pH balance to match natural tears.
The only ingredients should be distilled water and NaCl.
The suitable product is 0.9% saline solution, which is referred to as normal saline when used medically. Add nine grams of pure sodium chloride to one liter of distilled water and mix on low heat (~50°C) for 10 minutes.
I hate to go back to basics, but how are you measuring? I recently helped a local guy claiming he was using 15-20% flavoring and he could barely taste anything. Long story short he was mixing by drops at 20 drops per ml because his calculator told him to and the tips on his bottles were actually ~42 drops per ml so he was actually using less than half the flavoring.