We are a company that sells wholesale VG and PG, and we're curious to know how you use it in your e-juice. Do you prefer to use all VG or a mix of both VG and PG? What are your reasons for doing it one way or the other?
I strictly use VG and DW in my ejuice mixtures -- I avoid PG completely.
My reasons are based on my own ascertaining the health risks involved, as well as my knowledge of people who actually do have PG allergies.
Plus I prefer the higher vapor production of VG, the lower throat hit and the lighter flavors.
DW is distilled water, right? if so, how does it compare to just using vg? does it help flavor at all? I've been wanting to thin out my juices for tanks, but i don't like a lot of pg.
I'm curious to know what "health risks" you ascertained about PG. It's an incredibly safe substance and has been used as the main carrier in asthma inhalers for a few decades (it's also added to HVAC systems as an antibacterial, among literally thousands of other common uses.) The rate of actual PG allergies is really low, which is why it's such a common item. There are a fair amount of people with PG sensitivities, but true PG allergies are very rare (and virtually anyone with a true PG allergy would've known by the time they were an adolescent, because PG is added to all sorts of foods as a way to keep them from drying out.)
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Asthma inhalers are room temperature. PG boils at 178C, most people vape at double that.
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PG is used as a plasticizer industrially. The temperatures and pressures involved for polymerization appear similar to vape temps and pressures. Most likely this won't have a negative effect on most but I'm in my 40s and would rather not risk it.
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PG is a humectant -- dries out organic tissue.
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Anecdotally, I know a handful of vapers who attribute PG to constipation. Humectant based? Who knows.
My girlfriend gets actual torrential nosebleeds from vaping PG. Non stop for 15 minutes. Two friends of mine get eye soreness from it.
I think people should be free to vape whatever they want to. I refrain from vaping PG because I've done my due diligence and in my opinion it is not for my body.
I've been studying this stuff since I started vaping 6 years ago. I have had many eliquids lab tested at great expense to myself. I trust the FDA zero and don't want them regulating what we can do with our own bodies.
But since it is my body, I will just head in the direction I'm most comfortable in.
Fair enough, although I would disagree with the temperatures you brought up. Nobody is vaping at 700 degrees Fahrenheit, the human throat and lungs couldn't possibly take that, and I can't imagine juice wouldn't burn well before reaching that temperature. In fact I believe Dr. Farsolinos has previously addressed that very subject, but I could be mistaken about that.
I prefer to use a mix. Anywhere from max VG to 50/50. Generally most of what I make is in the 60/40 VG/PG range. I have friends that vape out of all sorts of devices, and although I primarily RDA/RTA, I don't mind a bit of PG. Personally, I find 70vg/30pg to be a nice sweet spot for wicking.
Primarily VG. I love thick clouds and diluting it with anymore than 15% PG isn't a very satisfying experience to me.
Do you think that using mostly VG affects the taste at all?
Absolutely. PG is a flavor carrier, much more so than VG. Also, while VG gives a sweetnes to juices, high levels of PG can be harsher for folks.
If I had to guess, the average ratio is probably 70/30 VG/PG
The shops in my town all sell their stuff at 30/70 VG/PG and you gotta ask for a different mix if you want it. One place won't do 100% VG for some reason, maybe their nicotine is in a PG base? Most of my friends do 50% or higher VG, and I recently got on the 100% VG train. I can taste a difference in flavor, but the full hit and volume that comes from a heavier VG hit seems to give me a much more satisfying vape, and with such a heavy hit, the flavor is hardly lost.
I use them separately. It makes it easier to tune my mix to how it's going to be used.
80% VG doesn't work for me in a tank due to wicking speed, but it's great in a dripper. So I'll make different ratio juices for different atomizers, and I really need my PG separate from my VG to avoid some hairy number-juggling I'd need to do to accurately dilute a premix.
On top of that, and perhaps more importantly, depending on the flavor's carrier, it'll tilt the ratio one way or the other. Especially if the flavors are in PG, and you are mixing a VG heavy juice.
I don't know how versed you are in e-juice. However, a large portion of PG in most recipes is included in the flavour concentrate as a carrier. I would think that by volume, you would sell less PG than VG.
PG tends to be harsher on the throat and is therefore used for perceived "throat hit." In my opinion, VG tends to produce more mouth feel, texture, and volume than PG. VG also has a more palatable taste.
I really don't care for throat hit. Therefore, I try to minimize my use of PG as much as possible. I will note that PG does aid in wicking, however it makes little difference with the current vaping styles.
Can we get a disclosure? Which company?
The company is Bulk Vaping Source at www.bulkvapingsource.com like abdada said below, and we are a division of ChemistryStore.com (a wholesale soap and cosmetic supply company). We currently sell PG and both soy and palm-based VG in a variety of sizes and are hoping to add flavors and nicotine soon!
Since I now primarily tank with an Atlantis and a subtank, I have been making about 65/35 pg/vg. It's still dripable, and the vg content is still great for clouds. Most of my pg comes from flavors, so I end up adding a small amount on top of that.
I've also recently been toying with inhalation grade saline, and have been very happy with the results. I bought a pack of 100 little individual containers and believe it will last a long time, considering you only need a little bit.
That's interesting! I've never heard of using saline in e-juice before. Do you add it because of the feel it gives or more for medical purposes?