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Why even bother mixing by weight?
submitted almost 11 years ago by dropped9

It's almost more of a hassle it seems. If you us disposable pipettes it seems mixing by mls is easier. Unless I am missing something?

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by LysanderVaporalmost 11 years ago

Way easier for me. All my flavorings come in dropper bottles. Nothing to clean when I am done. No cost of replacing syringes. The only bad part is if you over shoot your target it's already in the bottle.

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by flufftonalmost 11 years ago

What mixing by weight is loads easier. just go straight from one bottle to another. No fucking around with pipettes/syringes. It's more accurate, consistent and convenient.

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by Mercy404almost 11 years ago

But with a scale you don't even have to use pipettes. Put the bottle on the scale, drip flavors directly into the bottle, add VG, put the cap on and you're done.

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by dropped9almost 11 years ago

What juice calculator are you using that gives you the weights?

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by Mercy404almost 11 years ago

The best one, "Recipe Calculator" from the sidebar. It's head and shoulders above the others, has all kinds of features like modifying a recipe after it's been mixed.

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by dropped9almost 11 years ago

Thank you. Ive been playing with that one. Only thing that bugs me is you have to add the nicotine like a flavor then chose it. But it could just be me.

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by daathalmost 11 years agoMixologist

On e-liquid-recipes.com you can set your preference to weight :)

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by FitChemist432almost 11 years ago

Mixing by volume will always have error, whether using disposable pipettes, graduated barrels, or even autopipettes. With a celebrated scale you can forego buying more expensive equipment and lower your error considerably.

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by JohnLaCuentaalmost 11 years ago

Mixing by volume is very accurate if you use good equipment. It's just most people use syringes or disposable pipettes which do not offer the greatest reproducibility.

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by billgarmsarmyalmost 11 years agoFrugivore

Why even bother mixing by volume?

It's almost more of a hassle it seems. If you use syringes it seems mixing by weight is faster and cleaner. Unless I am missing something?

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by rabidnzalmost 11 years ago

Because i mix 500ml at a time and syringes max out at 60ml

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by ogimbealmost 11 years ago

Place scale, throw bottle on it, squirt squirt squirt, done. No clean up of syringes, no nothing. Just shaking the juice and putting the caps back on.

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by lunaticfringe80almost 11 years ago

I transfer all of my flavorings in to 1oz glass dropper bottles. My VG, PG, and nic are transferred to 8oz squeeze bottles so I can easily add it to my mixes. There's no waste, nothing to clean up, and I can make a 20ml batch in just a couple minutes and a 125ml batch in only a couple minutes more.

For recipe calculation I just use an Excel sheet where I have every flavor's specific gravity referenced for use in a formula to automatically adjust for my batch size.

I really don't think it could get any easier than this.

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by TheXysteralmost 11 years ago

Would you be willing to share your spreadsheet? I'll send you my email so you can send it. I'm sill transferring mine from my notes to one. Once I get it all moved over I will send you mine.

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by lunaticfringe80almost 11 years ago

Here is a drop box link to mine. It may not be the best example, because I wasn't able to automate it entirely.

I just do an absolute reference to the flavor name in the green box, and then make sure the grams and price column formulas reference the same row as the flavor to make the calculations work. I wish I knew how to make it simpler to add recipes, but once they are in it's super easy to work with by changing the percentages in the orange boxes.

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by TheXysteralmost 11 years ago

Cool. Thank you and I will get mine together and get it to ya. Maybe between you, me and what we find on the net we can get a complete list going. At least as close to complete as we can get.

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by PriceZombiealmost 11 years ago

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by smogLAalmost 11 years ago

do you guys have interest in these bottles? i live next to a bottle factory lol, i can get complete bottles for like $0.30 - let me know!

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by Mercy404almost 11 years ago

Complete bottles as in glass bottles with dropper caps? Is there a minimum order quantity or anything? A cheap source of 15ml & 30ml bottles would be great, the best deal I've found without buying more than a dozen or so is just over $1 each.

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by dropped9almost 11 years ago

What scale do you guys use?

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by Mercy404almost 11 years ago

Lots of people, including myself, seem to like this one.

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by a_fat_dimealmost 11 years ago

Not going to dig around for a link right now, but if you search Amazon for SmartWeigh brand, you'll find one for $20. 0.01 resolution and 500g limit. 2 minute shutoff. Been working well for me.

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by tick22almost 11 years ago

I guess it depends if you mix big amounts or small. I do small so by weight is more a PIA than not.... Maybe if I ever get to big amounts, I may got the weight way.

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by Mercy404almost 11 years ago

Wait, what? How is is using weight more of a pain with small amounts?

I usually make 5ml samples of new recipes, an ingredient at 1.5% (which isn't that small, some of my recipes call for 0.5% or 0.25% of certain ingredients) comes to 0.075mls. How do measure that with pipettes/syringes?

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by tick22almost 11 years ago

if you know your measurements, it works but damn, on 1 ml test bottles i do a drip from one certain dripper than I know what the drop is. maybe when I get into larger mixes I would do weights. But I just make a little. still very new to this, so my test juices are 1ml so far. now maybe later I will go bigger as I get use to my flavors, I will shift......

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by dropped9almost 11 years ago

What calculator are you guys using that gives you the weights?

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by billgarmsarmyalmost 11 years agoFrugivore

recipe calculator and www.chukr.xyz

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by lunaticfringe80almost 11 years ago

All you need is a spreadsheet.

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by pyr02k1almost 11 years ago

Mixing by weight tends to be the preferred method for a variety of reasons. Notably, error rate to mixing drops dramatically (extra .01ml in a syringe, etc), consistency in mixing increases dramatically (always the same weight, always the same amount), and speed goes up when recreating a mix, with a minimal amount of lost time in the beginning for math.

Here's a better description of why I prefer weight over volume...
With mixing by volume, I need enough syringes available for each and every flavor, then I need to clean the syringes after. Not too bad, except that if you have 1.2ml of a flavor going into a 30ml bottles, and you load up for 1.0ml the first go around on your 1ml syringe, you're going to have some left over flavoring in the needle tip when you finish pushing in. Not bad, except that when you load up to 0.2 the next time around, your syringe will technically contain 0.25ml (fine, because the 0.05ml extra is from the 1.0ml). Now, you need to get all of that 0.25ml to have the perfect 1.2ml of flavoring. The only way I found to be consistent again and again with repeating my recipes was to use some PG to flush the remaining flavor out of the syringe (plus side, I can also reuse the syringe after this). It's a nuisance to have to flush the syringe to ensure I have the right amount of flavor. If I don't my levels will not be 100% consistent every time.

Now, with weight... I know I need the same 1.2ml of flavoring, so I grab a pipette. Now, assuming that I have a very heavy flavor, say, 1.06g/ml, I know I need 1.27g of flavoring, so I load up the pipette to wherever and put in a batch which comes to, say, 1.00g, well lets get some more flavor... same pipette, another 1/4th of what i had before, comes up at 1.22g... Mmm, add a few more drops and I'm at 1.27... Remaining flavor in the pipette goes into the flavoring bottle and I'm done, pipette is trashed. Nic, new pipette, repeat process above. PG and VG, I flip over a bottle that has a cut tip and pour to my hearts content, until I reach my levels I need. total time spent per bottle, maybe 2 minutes if I'm going slow and have the recipe math already done. 3 1/2 minutes if I take my time and have to look up a flavor or two...

But the kicker... If I want to repeat the above with volume on a 10ml because a friend wanted to try some, I cut the recipe into 1/3rd and start mixing. Now, what if I have an extra .05ml of something strong like a coconut in the bottle, because I forgot to flush as I was going, or because, well, syringes suck... The recipe is shot. But with weight, I cut into a 1/3rd value and I end up with .42 flavoring, I wont be making any mistakes... I wont have any extra, or be missing some, because it's 0.42.

Now for time... Mixing up with syringes took me about 5 minutes per bottle with VG. VG is the devil with syringes. With weight, I have both PG and VG in bottles that have dropper tops on them and I just squeeze until I am where I need to be. I cut the 1 minute time suck of VG on larger batches into seconds, I cut the 30 second time suck of PG into seconds. Repeat with flavors and Nic (neither take much time if you just put flavors in all willy nilly and dont flush to ensure accuracy), I still do those in half the time or better. 2 minutes with weight, including clean up, versus 5 minutes with syringes, without clean up.

Comes down to how you value your time. I like being able to mix up 4 new recipes in the time it took to do 2 before. I also like being able to walk away without having to clean up any syringes or do much else besides enjoy the bottle I just mixed. Now I want to to mix something. Damn.

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by globalvarsonlyalmost 11 years agoMixologist

I do see the advantages of mixing by weight, but I think folks should keep in mind that not all flavorings come with droppers. I'm using stuff from Wizard Labs, and although I could get droppers for them, their 8ml flavoring vials don't come with any.

I think mixing by weight is most useful when you mix more complicated recipes in the bottle regularly. When I'm making flavor tests, cleaning one syringe per bottle isn't too bad. And when mixing 500ml+ at once, cleaning several syringes still isn't much overhead.

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by TheXysteralmost 11 years ago

TFA has msds sheets with the weights on it for their flavors. If you can't find a msds then weigh your flavor @ 1 ml 3 times and get the correct weight for it. Once you have the weight for all your flavors your mixing time will be cut by at least half and there is no clean up.

There is a post with weights for a lot of flavors here in the diy section that will give you a head start on building your info. I also have a lot of weights but need to pull them all together in a spreadsheet.

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by torturedzenalmost 11 years agoMixologist

Weight mixer here. I use the "Liquix" calculator for Android which converts MLs and percentages listed for the recipe into grams. Since all my flavors are in bottles with dropper tips all I need to is drip the exact amount required by the recipe into the new-batch bottle, resetting the scale (TARE) in between flavors. It works pretty much flawlessly, is stupidly accurate and I never even touch a syringe or pipette. Unless you have some automated machine, then mixing by weight simply CANNOT get easier.

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by dropped9almost 11 years ago

Do you put all your flavors into new bottles with droppers? Or they come like that?

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by torturedzenalmost 11 years agoMixologist

I generally re-use the bottles I have. Just clean 'em out. They either have dropper caps or drop tips as I mostly drip with rda's.

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by rave420almost 11 years ago

I use glass transfer pipettes, they are great and always easily cleaned

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