As the title says- Does anyone have any suggestions for these?
I made a few mixes recently with NN, FW, LA, and TPA flavors, mostly Citrus, banana, Dragonfruit etc in a 70vg/30pg blend. I've also been testing different levels of Citric Acid ever since fizzmustards Nanacream recipe. I tend to prefer most of these mixes with ~0.5% to 1% Citric acid. After several days steeping, some of my test batches feel harsh on the throat hit, and are drying my mouth out something awful.
Does anyone have any suggestions for making a mix more....moist? and less harsh? I've tried adding a few grains of rocksalt or adding 4% water, or both, without much success. Thanks in advance for any help.
isoamyl acetate + low pH in these flavors are just harsh in their nature
a solution may be to basify your mix - i.e. add NaOH to bring the pH to a more neutral 7 (or close 7)
Is it safe to add sodium hydroxide to e liquids?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_hydroxide
absolutely! dissociates into sodium and hydrozide ions.
used in almost all food products as a basifying agent and is GRAS
low molarity is the key
watching this thread for more replies, but, yeah, I find apple and citrus flavors can be a bit rough. You can use Ethyl Maltol (often sold as "cotton candy flavor", or you can buy it powdered and make your own solution 10% in PG). i find it gives the vape "body" and some moistness, but it also has something of a flavor-muting effect. Also, avoid flavors with alcohol: those tend to add "throat hit. "
Drop the CA unless absolutely necessary. Try 0.5-1% of some sweet creamy flavors like marshmallow, whipped cream, toasted marshmallow, etc to add just a hint of sweetness (hardly noticeable) but it adds some creamy body that provides a fuller mouth feel (moist feel) and reduces throat hit by rounding it out a bit.
What is a good brand Marshmallow for this technique? The one I have doesnt seem to do much except mute the flavors. The only thing I havent tried at the moment is adding ethyl vanillin to my mixes.
I've been meaning to ask you what you think about the levels of CA in the fizz Nana Cream recipe. It comes out to ~2% or more. It really seems excessive in amount, as well as the mouthfeel of the final product.
Mouthfeel of the final product seems fine to me. I've never tried it any other way to be honest, and it winds up being 2.25% for me.
May try it differently next time /shrug.
Thanks guys- Ya, I have no doubt that the citric acid is one of the culprits, I tried to include specifics that I feel are contributing.
I tried mixing up a small batch of fizzmustards Nana Cream and noticed the same issue. Should I try adding EM with the Citric Acid? I do have some TPA Toasted Marshmellow and ECX 10% EM Solution both- that I have been trying out.
Should I try mixing Malic Acid with Citric Acid for flavors that I want to retain that bite? I'm trying to avoid muting flavors obviously, but some blends really need that pop and its driving me crazy with cotton mouth.
Edit - Has anyone tried mixing Saline with a 10% Ethyl Maltol solution then using that as an additive?