Title says it all
Do not buy 4oz bottles of flavoring if you've not tried it before. No matter how much money you think you're saving... I've got enough FW strawberry to last a decade and I hate it.
FW has a lesser known sister website (diyjuice.com) that you can order tiny bottles from, and they also have a ton of other flavors that don't get sold on the main website because they are less popular.
I'm sure you could get tiny bottles elsewhere, just putting it out there.
Thanks! I'll def give it a look, to be honest I've been less than impressed with the FW I've bought. But that doesn't mean I shouldn't keep trying. My favorite thing since moving to DIY is the experimentation, you never know until you try...
Haha. I have 3 oz of TFA coconut extra I'm never going to use.
It's pretty good stuff if you use it at about 0.5%.
THIS. I have about $300 worth of TFA that's going to just rot until I find some use for it as an additive. Pay the extra per ml and buy the small bottles first!
JMO but if you can't do the math don't mix 100mg nic. Nothing in this sub makes me cringe more than someone asking how much 100mg nic base they should use to get X mg finished product.
Surely 100mg although the most dangerous to go wrong with is kinda the hardest to go wrong with. 1ml in 10ml gives 10mg of nicotine.
It gives you 100mg of nicotine dissolved in 11mL of solvent and a concentration of 11mg/mL. Not like it matters, I don't think anybody would notice such a small difference.
The math is the easy part in my opinion. (Target nic÷ base nic)* mLs you're making.
> The math is the easy part in my opinion. (Target nic÷ base nic)* mLs you're making.
Agreed. The math is easy and I don't use a calculator; with 100mg nic it's pretty easy to do the math in my head.
But - there are people working with high-strength nic base with no idea what they're doing. As mentioned, it makes me cringe. I have to bite my tongue every time I see one of those posts :)
edit: The way I calculate nic requirement is (target nic * quantity) / strength of nic base
I wouldn't bite your tongue. I'm sure it is tough to see over and over but people need to be aware of the danger they could put themselves in. That being said they also should read before getting started. I just posted this for some more anecdotal advice. Maybe some more uncommon issues people ran into.
Do not follow flavor recommendations like they are some sort of rule. They are just the opinion of one or two people, and they are often WAY off IMHO. When I first started, I thought a good juice should always have at least 20% flavor. I now realize that you can make some amazing stuff with as little as 3% flavor depending on what you are using.
I kept using 20%, for the longest time and couldn't figure out for the life of me why it kept tasting like burnt tires. Ejuice me up has a default setting of 20% so I didn't know any better, but damn that shit was nasty.
Yup, I wasted a lot of time and supplies doing this. I also got scared away from using certain flavors because some goober posted that it tasted the best at 25% when in actuality it was better used at 5% or less.
Interesting. I tried to make a root beer float last night. I know it needs time to steep so im being patient but I went with 9% root beer and 6% vanilla. Almost got a burnt graham cracker taste reminded me just a touch of horchata. Maybe too much flavoring. I'll try it in a week and see what's up
Do you mean when one flavour is being used up to 20% or when all the flavours added together all added up to 20%?
Do not underestimate the number of bottles you'll need. I suggest more than you'll think in the 10-15 mL size in particular.
Do not mix a large batch of something you think you'll like. Mix small first, large later.
Do not underestimate the number of syringes you think you'll need.
Last, but not at all least, do not think you'll be the one to tame crab, bread crust or roasted chicken flavors. Many a man has come before you and all have failed for good reason. Accept defeat before you start the fight.
Bacon. Don't even bother. But for real who wants to vape that shit. I took one hit and was instantly sick.
You should try TFA Pizza & report back.
Alternatively put hot sauce on a pancake and let me know how it is.
TFA pizza tastes like a weird fusion of basil tomato and peperonni. Not in a good way either. It's not offensive, at the same time you wouldn't exhale and say "that tasted good".
The most positive thing I could picture someone saying upon vaping pizza juice is "mhhh... That was interesting"
Buy vg and pg separately, not a pre made mix. Also 100% vg or pg nic.
I would recommend not buying 100% pg nic because this eliminates any option of making a max VG juice if you ever wanted to.
well so do the flavorings, no?
No, not always.
Natural flavors will be based in alcohol, VG, or a mixture of both. See Nature's flavors and Nude Nicotine for examples. Usually they are very strong so they are used sparingly. Depending on what you use, you can end up with a juice that is 95% VG or more if you want, but not if you are using nicotine with PG in it.
You can also run into a situation where you want to make a 70% or 80% VG juice, but you have already used 20%-30% PG based flavor. If you want nicotine in it and you are using 100% PG nicotine, you are never going to be able hit that 80% mark. If you run into this situation you are probably using too much flavor, but it could happen.
Downside is that it's a pain in the ass to work with VG.
Cool my average nudist came with both but only 36% 50/50 nic.
I'll get on the 100
i was doing this for too long before i fully grasped overflavoring. it doesn't make it more flavorful, it makes it taste like crap.
Ive seen many recipes that call for 10-20% so I shot for 12-15. Maybe it's too much
Some recipes are fine up to 20%. Some recipes don't require more than 10% tops. HeadInClouds from VapingUnderground does a lot of really great recipes with FlavourArt and he never goes over like 10% or so. They still come out ridiculously flavorful.
This is something I'm struggling with at the moment. When I'm making a recipe, I keep wanting to add another flavor or two to it, thinking it will round out, or balance the overall flavor. It ends up tasting like shit. Sometimes less is more.
This is probably good advice and I can trust you. Because you're not a creepy cult serial murder guy.
I know it's tough, but its best to mix the minimal amount of flavor that it takes to make a good base. Poor it in your tank or drip it, and give it a taste. Note what it needs, and poor your tank back in the mixing bottle. Add a few things, shake, then try again. Figure out what else it needs, dump it back in, add things, mix, taste, repeat. Got a good base now? Great, now move on to your middle notes using the same technique. Once that it done, finally finish with your top notes.
Don't buy small bottles of VG/PG when you can get big bottles on Amazon. Don't buy a bunch of syringes and crap when you can just mix by weight.
Can you give a breakdown on mixing by weight? I see people saying this is the way to do it, but everything I've seen in tutorials is by volume. Is the weight of VG and VG with nic the same? Are weights of flavors all different depending on the content? I have a kitchen scale, is that sufficient for doing 5ml test batches?
No, VG is heavier. Flavors are about all the same. No, you need a scale that reads hundreths at least. You can find them on Ebay or at your local convenience store that sells drug paraphanelia :).
http://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/2lxum2/mixing_by_weight_video/ http://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/2iq3km/botboy141_guide_to_mixing_by_weight/ https://godofsteam.wordpress.com/2014/09/11/getting-started-diy-102-mixing-by-weight/
Do not measure by drops alone. And don't be afraid to mix something "weird."
Using syringes here. I hear people talk about mixing by weight but that confused me a bit in my novice status. Also do you have any"weird" combos that surprised you?
Mixing by weight implies that you have an empty beaker/container on a scale. Then you Tare the scale to 0 ( zero out for the weight of the beaker ) - then you add liquid to measure by weight, for example VG weighs 1.26 grams per ML. This is more precise, but usually indicates that you are making LARGE quantities of juice.
See BotBoys guide here http://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/2iq3km/botboy141_guide_to_mixing_by_weight/
Not necessarily.
I have a scale that reads to 0.001 grams, and even if I have a bottle that's half full I can easily add 0.211 g of any flavour ingredient. Instead of using a syringe to measure 0.2 ml, going by weight gives you better precision.
You don't have to do large scale to go by weight. I do 5 ml batches when I'm experimenting, and going by weight is the greatest thing.
I meant by drops alone (I edited my post to reflect that now). I use syringes as well, have not jumped into by weight yet. I've mixed so many random recipes at this point I couldn't remember them all haha. But one I liked was some vanillas and creams with a little, like 0.1% TFA absinthe. Also TFA musk candy with random fruits, it's a bit like incense, bit herbal-ish at around 5-7%.
Diversify your flavor stock. I also highly recommend that the first flavors you buy are to make a couple of recipes that you found here or elsewhere.
When I first started DIY it was to try and help with the ECF Boba's clone megathread. I followed it for two weeks making iterations based on other people's thoughts and giving feedback. That made me hate DIY. I was trying shitty experimental recipes over and over and making my own shitty experimental recipes. After two weeks I was left with a bunch of TFA flavors that I didn't like and no desire to ever bother with DIY again. Eventually I found this sub and wanted to get back into it. I bought flavorings for different recipes I found, mixed those up, and realized that DIY is actually pretty awesome if you stick with it.
I'm all about experimenting and coming up with your own creations but doing it right off the bat just burns some people out.
Mixing 5ml test batches - I find that its difficult to measure in an accurate reproducible way for batches under 10-15 ml.
Expecting things to taste like they smell- there are exceptions.
Rigidly chasing after one particular flavor blend/recipe- it helps to take a break, work on something else- just to come back to developing a flavor after some time has passed.
Mixing by drops- even in small batches. This isn't accurate unless you are measuring by weight.
Be prepared to fail... repeatedly.
Failing to replicate a flavor is fine by me as long as the failure is palatable. I would hate to waste but I'm prepared to fall down.
Well....then start low with your % of flavor and work upwards. Some flavors become unpalatable above 5%, others become unpalatable after a few drops per 10 ML ( Some Coffee flavors are seriously THAT strong ).
Don't mix over 6mg when making a juice for dripping or otherwise, you'll get horrible dry mouth and your flavors just won't shine.
Don't mix your base at your desired ratio and nic level before adding flavoring. I only did it once, but it was 500ml.
What happened? Tasted like crap?
The recent Nana cream recipe taste like crap. I wasted almost $5 on it. In other words don't believe everything you read. Speed steeping is not a replacement for time, the majority of my mixes need 1-2 weeks (some more, few less) to achieve optimal taste. I wasted a good bit of juice early on by not waiting for it to mature.
Damn I just ordered 100mg vg nic base as my $2 sample from nude nic. Am I screwed?
To mix do this for the math (target nic level÷base nic level) x amount you're making. For example to make 30ml of 6mg with 100mg base you do (6÷100)=.06 then .06x30=1.8. 1.8 ml of nic in a 30ml batch gives you 6mg juice. Sorry for the drawn out explanation. I'm drunk but my math is legit. I double checked it.
Unless your question was pertaining to another facet of making juice. If so ask away.