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Let's discuss the possibility of using Polyethylene Glycol in juices.
submitted about 11 years ago by Zx6rr

I was reading the study published on 15 May 2014 in The Oxford Journal about carcinogenic particles found in vape. Unsurprisingly higher VG caused lower levels of carcinogens to be present. What I did find surprising is they did a control sample made of Polyethylene Glycol (PEG) and nicotine solution that had no traces of carcinogens found. PEG is what is used in fog machines and has been generally regarded by the vaping community as "not safe to vape", but with new empirical evidence showing it might be "safer to vape" should we start experimenting with PEG?

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by Zx6rrabout 11 years ago

Looks like PEG was the primary ingredient in Ejuice during the early days, but was removed because anti-Vapers demonized it for being an ingredient in antifreeze. In high doses it can be toxic, but not in the doses you get from vaping. PG was chosen because it is generally regarded as safe by the FDA and EPA. PG vapor has been studied since the 40s and has been found to be beneficial and has anti-viral/bacterial effects when inhaled. The studies on PG vapor were not on vapor produced by heat, which changes the chemical makeup of the molecules; so I've always taken those studies to not really apply to vaping. I guess it comes down to a choice between mildly toxic but not harmful at the levels being used or mildly carcinogenic.

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by HugieLewisabout 11 years ago

I believe some folks have had success using PEG for THC concentrates. Oils/waxes/ shatters apparently dissolve better in it than PG or VG.

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by rupturedprolapseabout 11 years ago

Ejmix I believe uses it(peg 400) specifically. Friend uses it and says it works well.

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by HugieLewisabout 11 years ago

Yep. They are the ones I was thinking of. Never tried it myself though.

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by iPooskabout 11 years ago

It been a while since l looked into PEG but l believe there is higher chance of diethelyne glycol contamination since both compounds are usually made on the same line.

EDIT: Took some stuff out since I got a little confused lol. Oh and I found the ECF link

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/177551-pg-vg-peg.html#post2977320

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by Zx6rrabout 11 years ago

Thanks for the info, this was helpful.

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by Wrestledabout 11 years ago

How is the consistency? Have studies been done (other than the recent one) on its effects for humans at vape temperatures? Does it have a flavor/distinct scent?

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by TechnoL33Tabout 11 years ago

It does have a distinct smell. Fog machines are weird.

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by Ayynoabout 11 years ago

I second this. After having to set up a fog machine and having a lot of PEG around... It tastes odd, smells odd, and is generally not something I'd want to vape based on those two things.

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by Zx6rrabout 11 years ago

I'm not sure, I've never vaped it. Looked on Amazon and it seems a little pricy for experimentation. Unless I'm mistaken, PEG was used in early ejuices until it was decided that PG was safer (I don't know what science was behind the change). I have just started doing research myself, so I'm definitely not an expert on the subject.

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by Drakatabout 11 years ago

I know when totally wicked came out with their platinum ice mixing kits one of the options was PEG-400 but i dont think its an option anymore

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