My SO got me a starter kit for my birthday after talking about how I wanted to try mixing for a very long time. She picked out (all LA) Cranberry, Bavarian Creme, Mango and Lime Oil. I am staying away from the oil but the other 3 are very appealing to me.
I was going for a heavy cranberry mix with the following:
8% Cranberry 2% Bavarian Creme 1% Mango
I ended up getting a very muttled flavor that is similar to Smarties candy... Kind of a chaulky exhale. I hope you may be able to help being this mix out of the gutter with what I have, or if I need to wait for more flavors to work with.
Thanks!
Did you first mix these flavors individually to find what your optimum standalone percentage is? I really think this is pretty important...
I did not. I just took a shot in the dark. Could you elaborate on the pre mixing?
Edit: I get what you mean.
warning: elaboration from nomo means big ol' wall of text coming...
It's really easy to fall into the habit of just guessing where to start, but that's pretty inefficient. As a beginner, I'd strongly recommend that you first figure out a percentage range for each of your flavors that suits your taste. If you don't do this, it's sort of like mixing paint blindfolded. To speed up the process, it wouldn't be a bad idea to look around at what others have done before with any particular flavor; there are likely plenty of recipes with your flavors and several lists/spreadsheets to reference for range of use. If not, you'll just have to try your own range.
Here's what I've been doing. I take 5 small bottles and mix up 3-5ml of base with a range of percentages... usually 5%, 7.5%, 10%, 12.5%, and 15% to start, if there's no other known info from the references I mentioned earlier. Taste them immediately and make notes in my recipe calculator...too weak at x%, secondary flavor profile at y%, good standalone at z%, too strong, etc. Maybe even more elaborate tasting notes like if the flavor begins to taste like something else once a certain percentage is reached. If they're all too strong, I'll cut them with base so I have a smaller, tighter range like, .5%, 1%, 1.5%, 2%, 2.5%...my calculator will tell me how much base to add to get there. If they're all to weak...well, if it takes more than 20% flavoring to get where I want, I pitch the flavor and look for a different brand.
Then I age/steep them, especially for creamy/custardy/tobacco flavors or flavors that have alcohol in them. I actually use a cheap Harbor Freight ultrasonic cleaner to expedite this process. After your steeping/aging process, whatever it may be, taste them again to see if the profile has changed....Smoother? Weaker? Same? Add the info to your notes, and now you have some baseline data for balancing your mixes.
I'd recommend adopting this (or a similar) methodology early...I went by the way of just copying and sometimes tweaking found recipes and now I have around 80 of my 100 flavors that I really know very little about, plus I'm mixing to someone else's tastes and not my own. It's a little overwhelming to think how long it will take me to test each one of the other 80 flavors, but if I'd done it as I bought them, I'd be in a much better place now.
Here's another way where premixing standalones has come in handy for me...when I've finished testing, instead of dumping my testers, I'll combine all of them such that I end up with a single bottle of "optimum" standalone percentage premix (by my taste, of course). If I mixed up 5%, 7.5%, 10%, 12.5%, and 15%, each at the same volume and I liked 10% the best, I could just add all of them together to get a final mix at 10% in one larger bottle. Combining to achieve a different percentage will take more math and adding additional flavor or base to achieve that, but it's doable.
Then, when I'm trying to develop a new recipe, I'll use that premix to quickly mix up several iterations of my recipe idea. Using your flavors as an example, I may have previously found that I like cranberry best at 6% by itself, bav cream at 10%, and mango at 15%. If I combine 1ml of each of these premixes, my recipe would be 2% (6%/3) cranberry, 3.3% (10%/3) bav cream, and 5% (15%/3) mango. That's a 1:1:1 premix ratio, right? My other 3 iterations might be 2:1:1, 1:2:1, and 1:1:2. Or if I already knew flavor I wanted in the foreground, I'd adjust my 4 iterations accordingly, maybe 3:2:1, 4:2:1, 3:1:2, and 4:1:2, or something like that. Your variations could be even more elaborate than that, especially as you add more flavor to the recipe...this is just a quick and dirty example.
Finally, you just taste and tweak the ratio you think is closest to want you like as you see fit. It's not necessarily the "right" way, but I find it to be a fast way to throw together several variations of a concept. The downside of keeping all your testers as a premix is that now you end up with a big bottle of premix for every flavor you have. So, if storage is a concern, maybe you'll just have to mix up your recipe iterations on the fly.
TLDR: Learn the strength and taste profile of your flavors and their standalone optimum percentage to facilitate more efficient recipe development. Also, don't fret about failures; we all have them...myself probably more than anyone. :)
I have over 200 flavors and 95% of my mixes end up in the trash. This isn't an easy game, especially with just a few LA flavors. If you have $144 to throw at the hobby, check out TFA's bulk section of their website. You can buy 140 4ml bottles, so you can give almost all of their flavors a try. Good luck.
You're going to need some sweetener with the cranberry flavoring. Personally, I use ethyl maltol. The mango is likely going to be overwhelmed by the cranberry, it's a pretty subtle flavor.
I am going to order more flavors and equipment. I will give the ethyl maltol a shot and add it to the cart.
Try FA marshmallow instead of em
> She picked out (all LA) Cranberry, Bavarian Creme, Mango and Lime Oil.
Your mixes are only as good as the quality of your flavorings. You have very little to work with...
Yeah, I figured the first wasn't going to be the end all, be all of juices. I am going to get some more flavors and start playing.
It just takes a little while to find the flavor manufacturers you'll like best. I ordered several of the same flavors from 3 or 4 different flavor manufacturers on my first order...it's an ongoing process of elimination. The downside being...the only way to really know which particular flavoring is best suited to your individual taste is to try them all from different manufacturers. Luckily in my case I'm not a big fan of fruits/dessert. I mainly try out different tobaccos, vanillas, chocolates and creams...I've tried just about every flavor manufacturer there is, I use a few tfa flavors but mostly flavourart, inawera and hangsen...it'll come for you, just don't set your sites too broad on flavors...pick a few that you know you like and try several manufacturers for each flavor...their is a huge difference in quality and you'll know it when you find/compare them