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Do you guys use drops instead of measuring (for flavors), when making small amounts?
submitted over 11 years ago by Newfff

Let's say you are testing flavors and mixing small batches of 5ml, are you guys using drops or actually measuring? It seems when experimenting, measuring all that and screwing with syringes would be a pain.

How accurate is the drops calculations that a program like eJuicemeUp will give?

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by 6745408over 11 years ago

20 drops is about 1ml. It's fairly accurate. When you're doing something small that comes to a half drop, go on the low side and add it later if you need to.

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by nomoanalogsover 11 years ago

If I were you, I'd run some tests of my own using the same gauge needle with a 3ml syringe across a sample of maybe 10 of so flavors that ideally are at the temperature you would be mixing. And then I'd either assign specific drops/ml values in my calculator or maybe use an average if my results were really close. If they weren't close, I might gradually work my way through my entire flavoring collection as needed.

I've heard drops/ml can vary wildly depending on a lot of conditions; gauge of needle, working temperature, and the specific surface tension of each flavor concentrate can all affect the droplet's volume when the mass finally overcomes the surface tension characteristics.

As an example, a flavoring with a significant percentage of alcohol will likely produce smaller droplets, as it will probably have less surface tension than one with PG alone. I've actually heard of some people getting up to 60 drops out of a single ml of fluid. That will really mess your recipe up if you're expecting 20.

It may be worth your time to run these tests if accuracy is paramount, and then again maybe it's not important to you. Personally, I don't use drops as a reliable and reproducible system of measurement unless I plan to always use drops regardless of recipe scale. But if I do ever change my methods, I'll probably invest the time in finding out exactly how many drops/ml there actually are in my flavorings.

Ymmv.

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by Newfffover 11 years ago

Awesome post, Thanks!

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by nomoanalogsover 11 years ago

Glad I could contribute positively considering my drunken state. As you can tell, I tend to get a little long-winded after a few too many.

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by [deleted]over 11 years ago

I use a 1ml syringe for the main flavors, may add a drop or 2 of some others to tweak.

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by m_i_rover 11 years ago

measuring by weight is a good option... does away with the need for gruaduated syringes and pipettes. You can get a decent, 2 decimal place gram scale for like $10–$20. Might not be SUPER accurate for tiny test batches, but seems to work good for 10 mL and up.

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by Ubelover 11 years ago

How does that do away with pipettes? What are you using to move the flavors?

I use syringes and NEVER use pipettes, so I don't know what you're using them for when you use syringes.

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by m_i_rover 11 years ago

i use flavors with "squeeze bottles" or- for the rare TFA flavors I use- glass droppers with rubber "squeeze bulbs. "

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by Ubelover 11 years ago

What size TFA bottles do those droppers fit on, the 15ml ones?

I mostly use the 4oz bottles from TFA but I guess I could buy the 15ml ones or buy empty droppers and fill those up from the 4oz ones whenever they get empty.. hmm.

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by m_i_rover 11 years ago

likewise, a "squeeze bottle" for nic. PG and VG, i just pour in to a wide mouth mixing test-tubey deal (from Nude Nicotine)

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by Ubelover 11 years ago

A graduated cylinder?

I have those but never used them, I mostly make 30ml bottles and I have a 50ml cylinder and I imagine waiting for all the juice to pour and waste of some stuck to the sides would annoy me ... but I might try it.

The funnel/lip didn't seem large enough to easily pour into such a tiny opening as on an ejuice bottle.

How large are you bottles of PG/VG? Cause mine are 1 liter and their openings are also way too large for me to want to easily pour into even a graduated cylinder.

I need to figure something out with squirt bottles or such.

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by spacecase-25over 11 years ago

I only use drops when creating new flavors. 2ml VG in a little bottle, and the drops of flavor.

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