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Question about selling home made ejuice.
submitted over 11 years ago by Yuanbacan

My friend and I have started making our own ejuice in the comfort of our apartment. We went to a smoke shop the other day and told the owner we made our own. He said he had been looking for a locally made juice and offered to put our product up on his shelves. He said he would pay us $3 per 15 ml bottle. Is that a fair price?

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by SumDudeYouKnowover 11 years ago

I sell mine for $3.40 per 15ml wholesale. But I also use glass bottles. If you buy supplies in bulk, you should be able to make a 15ml plastic bottles for less than $1. 200% profit is great, but you may be able to get more.

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by Yuanbacanover 11 years ago

3.40! That's not bad! I see, where could I get my supplies in bulk though? Right now it costs us nearly $2 to make a single bottle.

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by [deleted]over 11 years ago

Ebay my good friend. I got 100 10ml bottles for $12 shipped

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by Yuanbacanover 11 years ago

Oh wow, way better than the $30 I payed.

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by 3tern1tyover 11 years agoMixologist

Ask about the volume. How many bottles will they be moving monthly? Are they going to buy them straight from you or pay you when they sell? There's a lot that goes into selling your juice. You have to make sure you're paying yourself for the time you put in. You need to account for your margins. Are ALL of your flavors sourced reliably? What happens if you can't fill a certain flavor?

Sorry for all the reading. but you should definitely put it in perspective before you start selling to a B&M. They could drop you at any time and you could end up with a large amount stuck in inventory.

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by Yuanbacanover 11 years ago

Okay, I get what you're saying. I'll be sure to fill in those details. He was very easy going with it. He told us we can do any amount of any flavor we want and all that he really specified was the nicotine levels. Thanks, I really appreciate it. He said he wants about 100 bottles per month to push.

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by 3tern1tyover 11 years agoMixologist

I would definitely do a trial run with them. Sell them 100 bottles and don't repurchase inventory until you're sure they're going to re-order (ask them how it is on the last week of the month or so). The key to successfully building it into a business is to keep your inventory low. Only what you need. That's why it's important to have a reliable flavor source. (see this article http://smallbusiness.chron.com/advantages-low-inventory-levels-15997.html)

I know for a fact FA's lead times suck, TFA is very reliable but sometimes you need other flavors that they can't provide.

I'm just being over cautious considering the fact that we're really not talking more than about a hundred dollars to supply 100 bottles of juice a month, but if you're serious about starting a wholesale business, you should definitely develop some good business habits.

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by IndianaTravover 11 years ago

I've been thinking about doing this myself. How are you going to lable them?

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by Yuanbacanover 11 years ago

I just use address labels that I got from office max and print em out using word.

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by IndianaTravover 11 years ago

I am trying to find something that is more presentable to a business. Thank you for your response though.

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by [deleted]over 11 years ago

http://i.imgur.com/fECV76i.jpg -Office depot DIY glossy sticker paper, a straight razor, about 7 hours photoshop time, and an HP photosmart C5100 series. Paper is about $2 a sheet, ink is a bitch, but it's much cheaper than outsourcing it to another business.

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by Yuanbacanover 11 years ago

You can make a design in Photoshop or Gimp and import it. I'd say mine look decently professional.

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by Ryuuzaki_Lover 11 years agoMixologist

Adobe Illustrator is pretty good. Or SureThing CD/DVD Labeler.

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by Fataltityover 11 years ago

How did you approach the owner? I've been considering trying to do this as my local b&m's "custom" juices are 5/10 at best.

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by [deleted]over 11 years ago

Free samples?

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by Xanzaover 11 years agoMixologist

Normally a 30ml bottle goes for about $8.99 where I'm at, so if you divide by half economically a 15ml bottle would sell for about $4.50. If he's giving you $3 per bottle sold, then he's only making $1.50 per bottle.

So let's play with some numbers.

|Number Sold|His Profit|Your Profit| |:--:|:--:|:--:| |50|$75|$150| |100|$150|$300| |200|$300|$600| |500|$750|$1500|

Looks fair to me, also looks like a win, win, win. Customer wins, because they get good juice at a fair price in smaller quantities. You win cause you're making bank. He makes a bit of profit, too. So before you agree, I would ensure what he plans on selling them for. If it's too high, no one is gonna want to buy them, so I'd decline. Also, you should think about production. How many does he intend to sell per week/month? Is he going to buy them directly from you, or he'll give you a cut once they've been sold? Just some things to think about.

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by Yuanbacanover 11 years ago

Very solid math! The only thing is that where I live they sell 15ML bottles for about $8-12 so that's quite a bit more profit for him.

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by Xanzaover 11 years agoMixologist

Damn. That's expensive! I'd make a killing! ;)

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by Groebe-Wan-Kenobiover 11 years ago

Where do you live? $8-12 is what I see everywhere I've been.

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by [deleted]over 11 years ago

Do you have a LLC and product liability? Do you know whats going into your juice or if the flavors are interacting with the plastic you are using. What happens when someone sues you? Taxes, state and federal. How consistent are your blends? What happens when you invest money and the FDA comes crashing down burning out the DIY and the x10000's of eliquid stores. Are you testing your nic??? the bottle might say 100mg but if they made a mistake and gave you 400mg and you just x4 the requested level of nic and gave some some dude a stroke. Or some mother leaves the bottle on the ground and a dog or a little babie eats it and they come suing you.

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by and303over 11 years ago

As long as you're selling nicotine, product liability insurance for an e-liquid vendor would be a business killer, unfortunately. It's too easy for a bottle to break in someone's pocket and make them ill, or for someone's dog to chew open the bottle, etc, etc. I couldn't imagine your quote being less than 50k per year, and that's just base coverage for a low volume business.

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by [deleted]over 11 years ago

> 50k per year

Its not that high

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by bskillyover 11 years ago

How customary is it for a liquid making business (both big and small) to have product liability insurance?

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by [deleted]over 11 years ago

Do you have car insurance? Home insurance?

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by bskillyover 11 years ago

Yes, i do. Anyways, back to my question. How customary is it to have product liability?

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