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AMA Request: Michael from Bombies
submitted over 11 years ago by perazini

My 5 questions:

  1. What´s the hardest flavor to work with?
  2. How long does it takes to you to be content with a flavor?
  3. Favorite vendor?
  4. What´s the biggest "Aha" moment you ever had mixing flavors?
  5. In your opinion, what makes a good juice, good?
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by _Bombiesover 11 years ago

Dear DIY_eJuice,

You and I share common backgrounds. A passion to discover the finest that eliquids have to offer.

Over a year ago, I stepped into the /r/DIY_eJuice sub and never looked back. Back then, this sub was rural and unkempt -- you're really fortunate to have outstanding members such as /u/InertiaCreeping, /u/Bluesed, /u/onions_can_be_sweet, and others contributing and pushing juice flavors forward.

Feel free to ask me questions re: DIYing, what it's like to be a vendor, or what's in my safe. I know of aspiring vendors lurk /r/DIY_eJuice so I can give some input on my greatest mistakes to avoid thus far. This industry is a huge learning experience for all of us.

My name is Bombies, but you can call me Michael, AMA.

> THE SECRET TO MAKING JUICE

It's getting late and I see people signing off so please let me conclude with this:

There is no secret to making exceptional flavors. You don't have to be a genius or a mastermind to make all day vapes.

You just have to play your strengths.

Understand that vendors come from all walks of life. Some might be culinary artists, others chemist, but I am and always will be a number cruncher with a meticulous passion for attention to detail. I make failed flavors every, single, day. With each failed recipe, I write down what I think works and what I think doesn't work. It's really a numbers game. Sooner than later, you will find a flavor profile that will surpass every vendor's that you ever tried. It might not come today, or tomorrow, but boy when it comes, that will be the most gratifying moment in your ejuice career.

Thanks for tuning in, I'll continue answering questions as long as people keep reading my nonsense.

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by InertiaCreepingover 11 years agoJust another Moderator

First of all, thank you for doing this. You are truly an asset to the vaping community.

I love your juice naming, illustrations and overall branding! Does it all come from you or do you use designers for hire?

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by _Bombiesover 11 years ago

If I drew the pieces, it would look like variations of stick figures lol. So, I lurked for three months in /r/sketchdaily looking for a graphic artist I liked. Got turned down many times. Little did I know, the talent was right here, in /r/ecr if you look in the right places. All services done are by redditors :).

PS - This sub is now extremely successful because of you /u/InertiaCreeping. Congratulations. I've seen you push this sub farther than the days where each post was 4-5 days old and the only question was where to buy nicotine. Enjoy the gold man, you deserved it.

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by InertiaCreepingover 11 years agoJust another Moderator

> Little did I know, the talent was right here, in /r/ecr[2] if you look in the right places. All services done are by redditors :).

Very cool! I run a online juice store in Australia (wholesaling to a few B&Ms and online stores too!) but I'm using stock images which, well, they do the job, but I have known about your site for ever and have loved the illustrations.

> Enjoy the gold man, you deserved it.

Cheers, I really appreciate it. As I've said before I admire your store and would love to try your juices if only I was in the US!

I've moved on to /r/aussievapers which is a small but growing Australian Ecig community (you might notice that both subs use the same theme ;) I pop around here once in a while, but don't post nearly as much as I used to- I suppose that it's nice that we have so many active users around to answer most of the questions posed ;)

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by IAmTheBADASSover 11 years ago

Hey man, in going into business with a local B&M. I supply most of the flavorings, and I mix it up. We are currently talking about numbers for the money split, and since she has more invested in it I am very cautious with this, but I do not want to get ripped off. That being said, what are some other things I should look out for? Some other precautions to take?

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by _Bombiesover 11 years ago

I thought about this for a long time when I first started. And it's a grind man.

The best advice is the easiest advice: only take the deal if you find it reasonable. If the B&M is trying to undercut you and/or hustle you, just play your hand and stand firm on your offer. Believe in your product, and let them do the talking for you.

Originally I just wanted to do wholesale and local B&M. When I presented my flavors, every single B&M tried to undercut me or tried cloning the flavor because here I am, unknown vendor, with a juice that no one has heard of. That's just bad business. So I started Bombies.

Good luck!

3 points
 
by capnwinkyover 11 years ago

VG is a bitch. There's so many available options, and far too many just come out very harsh or have a 'strange' exhale hit. So, where might some of us look for some really quality tier VG?

2 points
 
by _Bombiesover 11 years ago

For DIY, I really think WizardLabs offers some of the best Nicotine, PG, and VG. Although my sources are different, this is not bad either for bulk VG. I believe it even comes with a certificate of authenticity from a Rabbi.

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by IAmTheBADASSover 11 years ago

I second this. WL is a stand up company, I have not once had any problems with them. They offer great service and amazing prices. Their flavors and PG/VG/nic is cheap and high grade.

I just wish they sold flavorings in larger bottles...

3 points
 
by CoalCreekover 11 years ago

You may be getting your wish. I asked them about that recently and the response was very good.

I wish they handled Capella.

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by CoalCreekover 11 years ago

Thank you for this AMA, /u/_Bombies and /u/perazini.

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by thag_you_very_buchover 11 years ago

Hi /u/_Bombies

Little late to the party but still got a question.

What kind of insurance if any do you carry to protect your business? I would like to one day venture into selling my juices, but worry about some poor sap suing the crap out of me cause his dog ate the bottle of juice or [insert unfortunate situation].

Thanks for taking the time to answer questions.

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by _Bombiesover 11 years ago

Look into Product Liability Insurance. If you need sources, PM me. :)

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by _Bombiesover 11 years ago

What´s the hardest flavor to work with?

> A Real Nightmare. To date, I've been through 47 revisions of it. Made everything under the sun, from menthol tobacco, to the taste of a real analog. Most of the time it tasted flat, or just terrible.

How long does it takes to you to be content with a flavor?

> Weeks to months. Once it's made, I vape it immediately and start judging it immediately. If I can't vape it for one month straight, I call it a failure.

Favorite vendor?

> Hands down, Indigo Vapor for tobacco. I tried very hard to avoid tobacco flavors in the early stages of vaping, my thoughts were: if I am trying to quit cigarettes, why do I want something to replicate tobacco flavors? Turns out, there is something in tobacco that fruit / savory flavors just cannot satisfy. A higher calling.

What´s the biggest "Aha" moment you ever had mixing flavors? > After four straight months of DIYing and failing each and every one of my creations, I was ready to give up. I tried every recipe on the internet: sour skittles, anise/licorice flavors, raspberry lemonade , popular clones, you name it I probably made it. The thing was, even then, I was not happy with any of the ones I made. Ready to throw in the towel, I noticed one untouched flavor sampler I received off the corner of my eye. I figured why not, one more mix couldn't hurt...

> I quickly put a bottle together, and without steeping it, sampled this new flavor. Upon the first inhale, my eye lit up. On the exhale, my jaw dropped. I had made my first SmashLab flavor. It was flavorful. It was glorious. It was magnificent. It was uncompromising in every aspect. It was 'Nana Cream. I knew, right then and there, that other possibilities other than the standard "blueberry menthol" or "apple pie" flavors existed. 'Nana Cream was my first ADV creation, and single-handedly reaffirmed my quest to find different flavors. I vaped it for a month...until I discovered White Gummy Bs.

In your opinion, what makes a good juice, good?

> It needs to taste great freshly mixed, even better after steeping. I try to vape that flavor nonstop for one month, and if I can do it, then I will proudly put my name on the bottle.

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by [deleted]over 11 years ago

Just came across this today...and lets just say I have added your page to my fav's and will be watching it very very VERY closely to get me some stuff!

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by hupaover 11 years ago

Interesting read! Thanks :)

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by peraziniover 11 years ago

The biggest problem I´m having right now is that almost all my mixes feel flat. Any recommendations?

Also, did you quit you previous job now that you have Bombies up and running?

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by _Bombiesover 11 years ago

Any recommendations?

> Creams will give the flavors a fuller profile. Menthols will make fruit flavors pop. Also try citric acid at 1 drop per ml, to bring out the flavors. Sometimes you have to try as many combinations as possible, to find the one you like. Or even flavor manufacturers.

> Case in point: LorAnn Strawberry tastes like chemical strawberry. Capella's Sweet Strawberry is much more realistic tasting fruit flavor.

Also, did you quit you previous job now that you have Bombies up and running?

> I'd really love to, but I enjoy my job as well and feel like an asset there. Credit goes to my boss for really mentoring me into who I am today.

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by IAmTheBADASSover 11 years ago

Could you supplement citric acid for lemon juice? I have not used citric acid but have used lemon juice. Which one is better in your opinion?

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by rustyterminalover 11 years ago

Menthols make fruit flavors pop.

What did you mean by this? I have a strawberry cream that is good. Can I add a few drops of menthol without turning it into thug juice? I really don't want a menthol liquid out of it but am intrigued by what you meant.

I DIY all day and have cloned all my faves but one juice I will never try to clone is bacco' b because brother you got it juuust right.

Thanks for the AMA

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by _Bombiesover 11 years ago

Here is the first formula I ever made. It tasted pretty awful now that I think of it.

Here is one of my earlier recipes that never made it out alive:

3% Sweet Mango by Capella

10% Pineapple by LorAnn

4% Coconut by The Flavor Apprentice

3% Orange Cream by The Flavor Apprentice

A nice, smooth, and zesty flavor profile.

2 points
 
by peraziniover 11 years ago

2.4 is a very specific number.

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by IAmTheBADASSover 11 years ago

4% coconut?! Holly shit that seems like a lot... 1-2% and it's already like POW COCONUT!

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by _Bombiesover 11 years ago

Just regular coconut, not extra :).

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by IAmTheBADASSover 11 years ago

Ah, I see

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