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Notes - Additives - Flavor Enhancers
submitted almost 12 years ago by [deleted]

Here's some notes I've gathered on additives and flavor enhancers. Most I've dug out of long threads on ecf. One comment I read that was interesting was the use of salt to bring out flavors...ie...as in cooking any food and especially desserts.

NOTES;

A few drops of saline solution per 10 ml works well... .9% Sterile Saline solution used for babies (Clenoz), but any pharmaceutical grade saline will work. At these low concentrations, you won't really taste the salt, but it will make many flavors "pop" - especially bakery-type flavors.

Purified Medical Inhalation Saline .5% – 1 drop per 10ml (Bakery and Tobaccos) Adds body and enhances juice. May add salty note.

About the Salt. If you are going to use it, use the NaCl 0.05% that you get from a pharmacy.

Most pharmacies will have injectable saline solution behind the counter. A small bottle will last forever...

  • TA- Tobacco Absolute (ALC) (Contains EM)– You can buy this Edit from ecigexpress, use 1% in most tobaccos; makes it “pop”. It’s that “missing element”.

  • EM = Ethyl Maltol – Crystals to liquid - 1/4 tsp. to 10 ml warm PG or PGA (Some say VG will work)

Tiny Bit (A fraction of 1% in your mix) - Gives a "body" to the vapor and may slightly reduce sharp notes.

A Bit (Close to 1% +/- in your mix) - As above but will take the edge off sharp notes and may very slightly sweeten.

A Bunch (1%-5% of your total mix) - As above plus sweeten

A Load (10%+ of your total mix) - Cotton Candy flavor

  • ACV= Apple Cider Vinegar – 1-2 drops per 5ml (Tobaccos)

  • Lemon Juice - 1-2 drop per 5 ml (Fruits)

  • Sour TFA – Malic Acid 20% solution. 1-2 drops per 10Ml Makes Fruits “pop”

  • Tart and Sour – (Citric and Malic Acid) 1-2 drops per 10Ml (Higher % creates Jolly Rancher-like effect) Makes fruits “pop”

  • Menthol – Crystals to liquid – 50/50 in PG or VG Start a 2% (Some say 5%) – depends on how much you like menthol. 1 drop to 10ml brightens fruits with menthol actually tasted

  • Vape Wizard (MTS) More,Thicker,Smoother– .5-2% - Smooth’s things out, cuts down harshness, creates body. Can dull flavors, use sparingly.

  • “MTS Vape Wizard, aka VW. MTS is supposed to stand for More Thicker Smoother. It can help some mixes produce more vapor. (Some flavorings actually reduce vapor production) It can smooth or help blend flavors together. Use it in the 1 drop per 10ml to 1 drop per 3ml range, but usually start closer to the middle at 1 drop per 5ml to see if it will do a darn thing to the mix. Sometimes it seems to work wonders.

  • Bitter Wizard – .5-2% - 1 drop to 10ml - Removes sweetness, adds dryness. May hurt blend (start with small batch). “Bitter Wizard. This makes things bitter. Mostly useful for tobacco blends, but sometimes a bit of bitter will make things much more flavorful. Again 1 drop per 10ml to 1 drop per 2ml is a useful range. Start at the tiny 1 drop per 10ml and work up if it is needed”.

  • Smooth - .5-2% - Rounds out any harsh edges, provide a thick mouthfeel, softens the high notes of your blend while boosting your background notes.

  • Sweetener’s - Sucralose (Most Common) – Better Stevia (Alternative – some say chemical taste) 1-2 Drops per 10 ml or 1% adds strength in flavor and sweetens greatly. (Remember; less is more, start small) – Mostly used in fruits, candy, and bakery flavors.

  • Other Sweetener Options – TFA Marshmallow- adds moistness and sweetens. TFA Molasses adds sweetness + a trace spice. TFA Brown Sugar Extra – adds sweetness. Some custards and Vanillas have also been used (Also known to brighten other flavors).

  • Ethyl Vanillin 10% Solution – Crystals to liquid – ¼ tsp to 10ml PG? Unsure Great sweetener + Vanilla taste.

  • Caryophyllene Oxide TFA 1% PG – .5-1% - Adds a woody notes to tobaccos and mixes well with some fruits.

  • AP = Acetyl Pyrazine 10% soulution – .5-2% Adds a bready/nutty note (Can turn into Frito taste if overused) Use sparingly.

  • Aldehyde – L-14 Peach – TFA - Diluted to 1% - Use at .5-1% Be extremely careful with undiluted solution. Adds “a very dry, not sweet, peachy note”

  • TH= Throat hit - “Capella's Horchata, want2vape's Caramel #2” Also, some cinnamon’s.

  • PGA= Pure Grain Alcohol (Everclear/151 Rum/Vodka - high proof) 1-2 drops per 5 ml = Throat Hit

Side Notes;

Higher vg mixes 50%+; flavors are less intense – May require more flavor

70pg-30vg seems to be the commercial "norm".

Too much flavor will create flat taste…adding more flavor will most likely not “make it better”.

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by gang_vapealmost 12 years ago

Excellent! Thanks for doing this. Saved for reference.

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by InertiaCreepingalmost 12 years agoJust another Moderator

I've placed it in the sidebar- big props to the OP for the great post.

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by Briixxalmost 12 years ago

Ditto. Thanks.

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by _Bombiesalmost 12 years ago

This is great, thanks! Unfortunately Tobacco Absolute is no longer available...

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by vapesnapealmost 12 years ago

Why is that, do you know?

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by _Bombiesalmost 12 years ago

Beginning in October, TFA announced the discontinuation of Tobacco Absolute, citingg unfeasible costs. Rumor has it that big tobacco has picked up the original source.

But then again, this is just based off rumors.

The good news is that the race is on to create the next Tobacco Absolute. Or so that is what I've heard from my sources.

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by Kleivonenalmost 12 years ago

Does Apple Cider Vinegar actually work in ejuice?

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by louderandsadderalmost 12 years ago

Yep,only acid I use personally (usually because it's the only acid reliably present in the house.) Brighten fruit and bakery flavors at 1% and sour fruits at 4-8%.

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by Kleivonenalmost 12 years ago

What exactly does it do to the taste? I'm having a hard time imagining adding vinegar to my juice and having it turn out alright.

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by louderandsadderalmost 12 years ago

It's malic acid essentially so at low concentrations it's taste is not present, just it's acidic properties.

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by louderandsadderalmost 12 years ago

Is anyone else a little hesitant at using saline? I checked its vaporization temp a while back and I seem to recall that the vaporization temp is extremely high so no worries there but I have to think it's going to do some scaling and damage to coils. Anyone else have insight?

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by jaredjames562almost 12 years ago

Props to the OP! Great Work!!!

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by onions_can_be_sweetalmost 12 years agoMixologist

Wow... this is an amazing reference. Thank you for putting it together.

I'm definitely gonna try a bit of saline.

And this bottle of acetyl pyrazine isn't gonna mix itself...

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by longfellow110almost 12 years agoMixologist

I really wish I had this post when I first got started. Thanks for posting it!

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by machipualmost 12 years ago

Late to the party, but thank you for this post, hugely informative. I just picked up some DIY supplies so I'll be joining you guys in this sub, I think. :)

I did a bit of searching and found 100mL of sterile saline for 89c - shipping's probably going to make up most of the cost though - the site is First Option Medical. Also a 1000mL here but that'd be overkill for the amount I would need. Both would still need to be diluted by half.

I guess I could just go to the pharmacy like you said, but is it likely they will ask what I want the solution for?

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by InertiaCreepingover 11 years agoJust another Moderator

FA Magic Mask removes bitterness perception without changing pH.

FA MTS Vape Wizard is Magic Mask plus something else to give thick mouthfeel. It's more aimed at tobaccos than MM.

TFA Smooth is reverse engineered MTS, and is supposed to be more drastic in its affect.

TFA Sour is malic acid. It gives a tartness/sourness, and can make fruits "pop".

Lemon or lime juice has a similar effect.

FA Bitter Wizard is supposed to kill the sweetness inherent in PG and VG.

Ethyl maltol gives sweetness, in a cotton candy sort of way.

Liquid sucralose is also used sometimes as a sweetener.

Acetyl pyrazine supposedly gives a nutty/bready flavor in small doses, and a Frito flavor in large doses.

Some people add apple cider vinegar (or occasionally white vinegar), especially to tobaccos, to add bitterness.


A typical starting point for any additive is ~1 drop per 5mL.


Edit: Magic Mask/MTS really work. One time I had just finished a glass of grapefruit juice, and I vaped a tobacco to which I'd added about 1 drop per 2mL MTS. Instantly the bitterness from the grapefruit juice disappeared from my mouth. It was kind of jarring.

http://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/1u3625/so_what_are_all_these_wizards_and_additives_do/cee205v

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by peraziniover 11 years ago

TFA Smooth contains Triacetin. What other vendor sells the smooth flavor?

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by InertiaCreepingover 11 years agoJust another Moderator

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/hoosier/2380-what-else-do-i-need-diy-mixing-staples-misc-blending-flavors.html

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by MineDoggerover 11 years agoMixologist

The source of that mysterious karma point... Big ups for bringing Hoosier's EM/MTS notes and most of the other odd additive info over to DIY. It always bothered me when they refer to MTS meaning "More, thicker, smoother," when FA's description actually says "mellow, thick and smooth." Other than that its good information, although, I haven't had luck with MTS. It just seems to make everything taste like MTS.... And its not a very good taste. Its like a weird, non-sweet fruit that's maybe gone bad, but you're not sure.

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